Thursday, January 29, 2009

Not Playing By The Rules

Two lesbian girls at a California Lutheran High School were expelled in 2005 based on their sexual orientation and the Fourth District Court of Appeals in San Bernardino upheld the ruling this past Monday.

Read full story HERE and don't forget to read the full court ruling at the end of the article (a pdf. file).
I can only say one thing: If you don't play by the rules and values of a Christian school or a Muslim school or an atheist school, then you need to either turn over a new leaf and follow the rules and values, or find somewhere else to practice your beliefs and lifestyle choices. What is the problem here?

10 Comments:

Blogger Ken Weaver said...

What idiots!! The school could have avoided the whole situation just by dismissing them for sexual encounters and been done with it. I think it was Omd that said something like it is the action; not the attraction that makes someone homosexual. I don’t necessarily agree but if the school had held to a standard of no one is permitted to engage in sexual encounters it would have been based on that rule; or is the school only picking these girls out because of their “attractions”? If a boy and a girl were having intercourse wouldn’t the school have expelled them just as well? Or maybe the girls never acted on their attractions and the only rule they broke was in their own mind.

7:22 PM, January 29, 2009  
Blogger SCIA said...

Ken,

You said:

"...but if the school had held to a standard of no one is permitted to engage in sexual encounters it would have been based on that rule..."

The fact of the matter is the girls "allegedly" were "determined" to be lesbians as a result of seperate interviews with each one of them. How the school came to the final conclusion that the girls were lesbian is something that my staff is researching. If the school "assumed" that the girls were lesbian via observing them holding hands, as most girls do because that is the nature of some girls, than shame on the school for making an assumption based on that observation.

If the girls were determined to be lesbians based on sexual activity or the girls stated that they were both lesbian than the school has every right to expell them because scripture does advocate for such activity and the school needs to stick with Christian based regulations.

"Attractions", sexual activity...it does not matter because if the girls know about what the school expects of them, then they need to adhere to those standards. If they don't, then they get expelled. I would hope the school would expell a boy and a girl engaging in sexual intercourse as well, because this type of activity, pre-marital sex, is not advocated in scripture as well.

Interesting story and stay tuned for more info.

Thanks Ken, good questions.

Scia

8:53 AM, January 30, 2009  
Blogger Ken Weaver said...

“"Attractions", sexual activity...it does not matter…”

No Scia, it should matter. It is important if they had been engaging in sex with each other. If they haven’t than the school should have done what it could to ensure that the two girls were rarely alone together. Heck they do/did something like that at public schools when two students were prone to fighting. Also, if the girls were only attracted to each other and had not acted on that attraction; even if in their minds they were a couple, the school should not have expelled them for crimes of the mind; and how many times have I read on your site how the supporters of marriage equality are trying to make their opponents guilty of “thought” crimes through hate crime bills?

5:20 AM, January 31, 2009  
Anonymous omd said...

Ken wrote: "I think it was OMD that said something like it is the action; not the attraction that makes someone homosexual."

Almost Ken.

Some people are homosexual by choice or training or participate in homosexual sexual behavior by choice.
I have yet to see conclusive and absolute evidence that it is a genetic trait.

To be clear, people of the same sex may have an emotional and/or sexual attraction to each other BUT can choose not to take action on that alleged proclivity.

We are made free will beings. All that we do are our choices only. We may feel coerced, "The devil made me do it", "It's not my fault, they made me do it" etc. BUT in the end it was always our choice, thus our responsibility. We are al accountable to God for our choices.

satan did not force Eve to eat from the Tree of Life. She chose to listen to the serpent and believe his lies. It was her choice just as much as it was Adams choice to cave in to the wishes of Eve based on satan's lie. The end result is... They disobeyed God, their Father, who instructed them not to eat from that one specific tree. Just as We choose to disobey God and reject His instructions.

God loves all. Even those claiming homosexuality. He wants none to perish. He wants all to have eternal life with Him. Do you know how much God loves each in His creation?

"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. John 3:16

Did you know that God sings over you?

The LORD your God is in your midst, a mighty one who will save; he will rejoice over you with gladness; he will quiet you by his love; he will exult over you with loud singing. Zephaniah 3:17

Exhult - Feel extreme happiness or elation; To express great joy

Ken, in the long run, what does it matter if the homosexual community is right and they gain the whole world but in turn lose their soul [salvation]?

What about you? What if all your obeservations and arguments are right? What gain is there for you if you turn from God and reject Jesus?

There is nothing more important than the state of our soul, our relationship to God.

All of you out there. The time is near. You can see all the signs manifesting themselves in our midst. Your senses are correct when you see we are in perilous times. DO not be among those that reject Jesus. He IS who He says He is. HE LOVES EACH OF YOU NO MATTER WHAT CONDITION YOU ARE IN. He wants you to come to Him & believe in Him, His name. His desire is for you to follow Him and become a joint heir with Him in the Kingdom of God. He knew you before you were formed in the womb. He even knows how many hairs you have on your head. he will not force Himself on you. You must turn to Him. You are a free will being.

I invite you to turn to Jesus today. Remember, he chose die for you so you could choose to live for Him.

Today is your opportunity to turn to Him. It only takes the faith of a tiny mustard seed. Come, come today. The Father awaits you.

I am a fellow Christian Sojourner and One More Disciple of the Christ, Jesus.

OMD

7:37 AM, February 14, 2009  
Blogger Ken Weaver said...

“Some people are homosexual by choice or training or participate in homosexual sexual behavior by choice.”

Has any person ever found anything whatsoever that a person can be heterosexual for years and then “POP” they choose to be homosexual? How is one “trained” to become homosexual? The closest to that that I know of is one of my wife’s friends was raped by a man and she just couldn’t be with men after that. I can’t really state anything to back that up, but as a man I find it truly difficult to comprehend that if a woman raped me that I couldn’t be with women any longer. So maybe men’s and women’s brains are different in that regard but I have yet to hear of a man becoming homosexual because he was raped by a woman. However if anyone knows of any, let me know.

“I have yet to see conclusive and absolute evidence that it is a genetic trait.”

How old is the planet Omd? When did dinosaurs exist? How was the Grand Canyon formed? How did the continents come to be in their current position? How are fossil fuels produced?

“To be clear, people of the same sex may have an emotional and/or sexual attraction to each other BUT can choose not to take action on that alleged proclivity.”

I can choose not to have sex at all, but that would be even more unnatural than the supposed “unnaturalness” of the homosexual act.

“We are made free will beings. All that we do are our choices only. We may feel coerced, "The devil made me do it", "It's not my fault, they made me do it" etc. BUT in the end it was always our choice, thus our responsibility.”

When did you choose to be attracted to women? Now doesn’t that sound silly?

“Ken, in the long run, what does it matter if the homosexual community is right and they gain the whole world but in turn lose their soul [salvation]?”

It is their soul to do with as they please. I don’t think they need the conservative’s attempts to save their soul.


“What about you? What if all your obeservations and arguments are right? What gain is there for you if you turn from God and reject Jesus?”

Ahhh, good old Pascal’s wager.

1. I care if the things I believe are true.

2. If you are correct in your beliefs, is God truly deserving of worship? Why?

3. Which religion is the true religion God respects? It’s not just atheism vs. theism.


“I invite you to turn to Jesus today. Remember, he chose die for you so you could choose to live for Him.”

So, I want to know what his sacrifice was if he is not dead? If God can do absolutely anything than what good is anything he’s done? Couldn’t he do better?

6:49 AM, February 15, 2009  
Anonymous omd said...

You wrote:
How old is the planet Omd? When did dinosaurs exist? How was the Grand Canyon formed? How did the continents come to be in their current position? How are fossil fuels produced?

Ken, what does that have to do with anything I was talking about?

Genetic trait? There has been no evidence of a homosexual gene.

It was explained to me by a psychologist that homosexual women have primarily chosen that course because of rape or abuse as a major causation.

You wrote:
When did you choose to be attracted to women? Now doesn’t that sound silly?

Ken, many, including you keep presenting as fact that the homosexual has no choice, insinuating that there is a homosexual gene, which to this day has not been proven.

Sexual relations are primarily to propagate the species. Anal intercourse is not a natural behavior and that is the sexual behavior of male homosexuals among other things. You think anal intercourse is an edifying act?

You miss the point about free will and actions. All begins with a thought then a decision is made whether or not to take action. When action or inaction is taken it is a choice.

I bring a message only. Yes I hope all will heed that message but that is a persons choice to act on that message or not. It is your choice solely. Only you are answerable/accountable to God. Only you will stand before God with your accounting.

You asked:
Which religion is the true religion God respects? It’s not just atheism vs. theism.

Ken, belief in Jesus is the criteria not religion.

You asked:
If you are correct in your beliefs, is God truly deserving of worship? Why?

Ken, what do you think? Would there or could there be an answer that would be acceptable to you?

Ken, Jesus sacrifice was that he voluntarily gave His life for us. He took a beating that left Him unrecognizable as a human. He was nailed to a cross and He DID die. BUT 3 days later He was bodily raised from the dead.

That act atoned for the sins of mankind. The resurrection shows us we will also be resurrected when the proper time comes.

You have questions, which I respect, but you continue to judge God. Why? I know you want to believe but it seems you are unwilling to leave the dock.

11:04 PM, February 17, 2009  
Anonymous omd said...

Religion Won't Save You »

Franklin Graham talks about Nicodemus, the religious leader who came to Jesus under the cover of darkness:

He was one of the most religious men in the Bible. A Pharisee. And he came to Jesus and Jesus said,

"Nicodemus, it's not enough. You've got to be born again."

And I'm here to tell you, to tell you I don't care how religious you are, you may have been raised Catholic, you may be Baptist, you may be Presbyterian or Methodist or Assemblies of God, Pentecostal, whatever you are. I'm here to tell you religion's not going to save you. I'm not talking about religion. I'm talking about a faith today in God's Son, the Lord Jesus Christ. Trust in Him by faith and asking Him to come into your heart and into your life, to cleanse you, to change you. Letting Him be the Lord of your life. Will you do that today?"

Will you respond to Franklin's invitation and trust in Jesus Christ by faith as your savior?

You can begin by calling us at the Billy Graham Evangelistic Association, toll free, at 877-2GRAHAM. Or copy & paste
http://www.billygraham.org.

11:25 PM, February 17, 2009  
Blogger John Hosty-Grinnell said...

Genetic trait? There has been no evidence of a homosexual gene.

Yes, there has. Visit the 20/20 video on borndifferent.org. I trust you won't argue that 20/20 is a non-biased news source?

Voltaire once said, "I do not agree with what you have to say sir, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.

People are entitled to their opinions, to voice those opinions, and to have exclusive groups that support those opinions.

If we silence our opposition altogether we leave ourselves deprived of the scrutiny of their contentions. How then would we sharpen our wit?

I welcome opposition, consider what is said, and take from the exchange what value I can find. Sometimes you just have to look a little harder than usual. ;)

7:44 AM, February 18, 2009  
Blogger Ken Weaver said...

“Anal intercourse is not a natural behavior and that is the sexual behavior of male homosexuals among other things.”

From what I understand of male homosexuality is that anal intercourse is used by maybe 15% of male homosexuals. The other 85% depend on oral sex for their needs. Not that I’m agreeing with your statement at all. So if you don’t mind please define “natural behavior.”

“You think anal intercourse is an edifying act?”

No, but I don’t think any sexual act could be called “edifying”, educational or enlightening. Intercourse is intercourse. By most of the people on the planet it is used not for procreation, but for fun. I’ve never had sex for procreation.

“It was explained to me by a psychologist that homosexual women have primarily chosen that course because of rape or abuse as a major causation.”

Have you ever talked to a lesbian about how they became a lesbian? How many?

I said: How old is the planet Omd? When did dinosaurs exist? How was the Grand Canyon formed? How did the continents come to be in their current position? How are fossil fuels produced?

Omd said: Ken, what does that have to do with anything I was talking about?

Omd also says: There has been no evidence of a homosexual gene.
And, “Ken, many, including you keep presenting as fact that the homosexual has no choice, insinuating that there is a homosexual gene, which to this day has not been proven.”

Omd, I brought up the original question to prove a point; that no matter what science proves, you will believe whatever you want to believe. Creationists continue to deny that the earth is older than 10,000 years even though there is no evidence for that and mountains of evidence against it. If you REALLY don’t want to believe that there is a homosexual gene no amount of scientific evidence will change your mind. You will continue to put your fingers in your ears and scream Lalalala whenever science is telling you something that goes against your beliefs.

“Ken, belief in Jesus is the criteria not religion.”

I am supposed to believe that Jesus is god, the creator of the universe, the lord of all that is good in the world, knows all my thoughts and the thoughts of everyone in the universe simultaneously, died and was resurrected for all man’s sins. I’m supposed to believe all of that and more when the only piece of evidence for it is a collection of ancient books when we can’t verify the authors and can’t verify any of the supernatural claims?

I said: If you are correct in your beliefs, is God truly deserving of worship? Why?

Omd responded: Ken, what do you think? Would there or could there be an answer that would be acceptable to you?

Sure there is an answer that could be acceptable! The answer is not to say “you want to judge god” or “man is unable to comprehend god’s reasons”. I’m sorry Omd but I MUST judge god and so should you. You already have. At least I hope you have. You see god as a good loving being and I go so far as to say YOU JUDGED HIM TO BE SO! If you didn’t judge god to be good would or could you worship him? If you haven’t judged god than the only reason you worship him is because of the power you believe he holds. And that’s no different than the Aztecs believing that Spaniards were gods because of their advanced technology. Is that why you worship him? Or did YOU judge god to be a good and loving creator?

“Ken, Jesus sacrifice was that he voluntarily gave His life for us. He took a beating that left Him unrecognizable as a human. He was nailed to a cross and He DID die. BUT 3 days later He was bodily raised from the dead.”

It wasn’t I that ate of the tree of knowledge, it wasn’t I that wanted to rape Job’s visitors, it wasn’t I that nailed him to the cross. Yet it was I that stole a cassette from Sears in 1981. It was I that lied to my Mom about where I was going to be on Friday nights. I got punished for those crimes long ago and feel no need to ask forgiveness once again. If your god wants to punish me for the many crimes I committed and did not pay for so be it; but if he wants to punish me based solely on my lack of belief than he is no god I can worship.

I understand you believe in god Omd, but I can’t understand why. I wish I could believe as you, but I cannot. I MUST judge god; and he must pass my scrutiny for me to even begin to think of him as good. And I’ll be honest, from my point of view god does not look loving or good. I know you can provide many tales of his undying love, but I can provide more that show his blood thirst. And even if you somehow are able to convince me of god’s benevolent nature you must still show that he exists. I am willing to listen to you, but you must be willing to face my concerns honestly.

9:21 PM, February 18, 2009  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Now I understand! OMD is a religious whackaloon! It's all come clear now.

9:24 AM, February 26, 2009  

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