Saturday, July 19, 2008

"The Criminalization of Homophobia"

Offend a homosexual and you could be put in prison. This could be the fate for some in Brazil if the countries House of Representatives passes a bill that would criminalize anyone who speaks out against the dangerous lifestyles that homosexuals lead.

Read full story HERE.
One question: Do you think this could happen in the United States? Why or why not.
By-the-way: Make sure to read my previous post about the potential repealing of a 1913 law barring out of state same-sex "marriages" in MA below!! The comments are getting interesting!!!

24 Comments:

Anonymous omd said...

Hello Scia,

There is already legislation being proposed in our country that would eliminate the rights of the United States citizenry to voice their opinion, sentiments or objections to homosexual sexual behavior.

Look was has happened to David Parker and his family because he objected to his early elementary school aged son being taught, in school, w/o parental notification, that homosexual liasons are normal behavior. His son has been beatup and all manner of humiliations have been bestowed on the Parkers by those in support of the normalization of a dangerous behavior. I may not be remembering right but I believe the Lexington school district even refuses to allow the boy to be opted out.

That being said... Is there anyone out there that is shocked that free speech rights guaranteed by our Constitution are being attacked and, it is most unfortunate, the homosexual lobby appears to be heading the charge.

Where are the sensible homosexuals that are outraged by this all out assault of their leadership on our free speech guarantees?

Folks, this means even the written word! We would not be able to debate this subject in Scia's blog.

John, this is where we can join forces and tell the government NO! OR is the homosexual community afraid to stand against its radical leaders?

9:56 PM, July 19, 2008  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

“Do you think this could happen in the United States?”

Unlikely but it is possible.

Unlikely because of our freedom of speech. Heck if Phelps can say “thank god for aids” and “god hates fags and fag enablers” then I can say all Christians are ignorant and should be strung up to avoid them dumbing down the gene pool.

Possible because I remember hearing about the McCarthy hearings; where a few nut jobs decided to criminalize free association for fear of communism.

Omd said: That being said... Is there anyone out there that is shocked that free speech rights guaranteed by our Constitution are being attacked and, it is most unfortunate, the homosexual lobby appears to be heading the charge.

Is it really any wonder why homosexuals would head a charge to violate the rights of those who have been at the forefront to violate the rights of homosexuals? The “ordinary” Muslims don’t say anything about the “extremist” Muslims when there’s an attack and innocent bystanders are killed but cry foul when someone fights back and some “ordinary” Muslims get hurt. Just like most Christians didn’t say anything about the violation of rights of homosexuals but man did they ever speak up when the homosexuals fight back. You reap what you sow.

Ken Weaver

1:25 AM, July 20, 2008  
Blogger SCIA said...

Ken,

You said:

"Is it really any wonder why homosexuals would head a charge to violate the rights of those who have been at the forefront to violate the rights of homosexuals?"

What rights of homosexuals have been violated??????

3:25 PM, July 20, 2008  
Blogger SCIA said...

OMD,

A good article to prove your statements can be found in my newsletter I just sent you.

Look for the link titled:

"Court says 'gay' rights trump Christian rights" under the BREAKING NEWS section.

Why aren't the homosexuals speaking out against the trumping of their own first amendment rights because legislation to do away with stating your opinion on homosexuality would effect their Freedom of Speach rights as well.

Maybe Christians should make legislation that would make it illegal to speak out against the Bible. Bet that would not sit well with others!!!!

3:30 PM, July 20, 2008  
OpenID dmurphy98 said...

Yawn.

7:27 PM, July 20, 2008  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

“What rights of homosexuals have been violated??????”

Christians invoked the name of god to deny homosexuals the right to exist for centuries. Today they may allow (begrudgingly) that homosexuals may exist but must remain quiet about their sexuality. Christians delight in calling homosexuals deranged sick people that need to be healed knowing full well that such a remark pointed at Christians themselves would be considered discriminatory.

Ken Weaver

8:42 PM, July 20, 2008  
Anonymous omd said...

you wrote:
"Christians delight in calling homosexuals deranged sick people that need to be healed knowing full well that such a remark pointed at Christians themselves would be considered discriminatory."

Ken, one of my children has a degree in psychology. During the course of their studies they were taught that those who profess beliefs in God are mentally diseased. So, just who has an agenda and just who is being taught to, purposefully, discriminate?

This fact alone makes your argument invalid.

As we approach the epoch of man's rebellion towards God remember when what tastes like sweet victory in your mouth will turn sour in your belly. Look what is happening in Amsterdam. The people have had enough of the pot shops, brothels and sexual perversions.

God will turn mankind over to the lusts of their heart. Just remember you have a place to turn anytime BUT there is a point of no return. There is a coming time where God will judge the world through Jesus. Yes, Jesus is returning and my hope and prayer is you will turn to Him.

7:33 AM, July 21, 2008  
Blogger Tyler Dawbin said...

I don't know all the details, but I read today that a homosexual man is trying to sue Zondervan publishing and Tommy Nelson books for their publishing of the Bible, and the reference to homosexuality as a sin. As I recall, he's looking for some 7 million dollars in damages!

He should be in Massachusetts courts, that way he'd be all but guaranteed to get the money.

5:55 PM, July 21, 2008  
Blogger SCIA said...

Ken,

You said:

"Today they - Christians - may allow (begrudgingly) that homosexuals may exist but must remain quiet about their sexuality."

Where in the Bible can I find this rule Ken, I think I missed it.

7:17 PM, July 21, 2008  
Blogger SCIA said...

OMD,

You said:

"Just remember you have a place to turn anytime BUT there is a point of no return."

Amen brother.

7:19 PM, July 21, 2008  
Blogger SCIA said...

Tyler,

Good to hear from you again.

Your story goes up there with the guy who wanted to sue God for "X" amount of dollers because of all the turmoil that occurs on the earth every day, or for reasons similar to this.

Funny stuff, but lets all pray for these people and guide them to Christ because they are lost people.

In Him,

Scia

7:22 PM, July 21, 2008  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

“During the course of their studies they were taught that those who profess beliefs in God are mentally diseased. So, just who has an agenda and just who is being taught to, purposefully, discriminate?”

I’m sorry Omd, but you reap what you sew. How many people have been demonized by religion? Everyone has at one point or another been the target of discrimination by religion in one form or another. Since Christianity has been the primary faith in the Western world it seems reasonable as groups that Christianity once demonized grow in strength they would remember the poor treatment their kind has received at the hands of Christians and do what they could to return the favor. How many Christians have claimed and continue to claim homosexuality as a mental disorder? How does it feel to be told that your beliefs and actions mark you as sick? How do you think a homosexual felt in your position a few years ago?

“This fact alone makes your argument invalid.”

The fact that people enjoy revenge makes my remarks invalid? Now you’re just being silly.

“Look what is happening in Amsterdam.”

Would you mind sending me a link about the problems in Amsterdam?

“The people have had enough of the pot shops, brothels and sexual perversions.”

Sounds like heaven to me!!

I said: Today they - Christians - may allow (begrudgingly) that homosexuals may exist but must remain quiet about their sexuality."

“Where in the Bible can I find this rule Ken, I think I missed it.”

The first word is “today” Scia; your bible isn’t continuously updated (as far as I know) so what is happening today can’t be found there. Can I help you with anything else?

Ken Weaver

10:30 PM, July 21, 2008  
Anonymous omd said...

Tyler, you are correct about the Zondervan suit.

Ken, you missed the point, me thinks. You wrote a statement:

"Christians delight in calling homosexuals deranged sick people that need to be healed knowing full well that such a remark pointed at Christians themselves would be considered discriminatory."

That's when I explained to you that our college and universities are teaching students that belief in God is a mental disease. Your statement implies that these things do not exist. You and a couple of others that frequent this blog seem to want to blame everything "you" consider wrong with the world on Christianity.

I thought it was in this thread but must have been in another of Scia's posts where I explained that Christians were the leading advocates of the abolitionist movement in this country and England. This is the case with many others issues mankind has faced.

A while ago the Boston Globe printed an article about the changes taking place in Amsterdam and how the folks there are tired of the label they carry with the rest of the world and they are tired of other countries showing up for a weekend of anything goes. So they are cleaning up their act by closing the pot shops and brothels that house all manner of sexual perversion. I don't have the link. It may be in their archives.

I guess your eyes must have a veil over them because you fail to see that it's the whole of mankind that is corrupt and in need of a rescuer. Do you believe that we just take a dirt bath and get eaten by the worms and that's all it comes too?

12:10 AM, July 22, 2008  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

“That's when I explained to you that our college and universities are teaching students that belief in God is a mental disease. Your statement implies that these things do not exist.”

I’m sorry but what things does my statement imply don’t exist?

“You and a couple of others that frequent this blog seem to want to blame everything "you" consider wrong with the world on Christianity.”

Not Christianity, but religion overall. And not everything, but enough that it feels like everything.

“…Christians were the leading advocates of the abolitionist movement in this country and England.”

I don’t think Christians come out smelling like a rose there; they break about even because many Christians used their biblical understanding to justify slavery. So I figure one positive plus one negative equals zero.

“This is the case with many others issues mankind has faced.”

How many people used their faith to oppose and support the suffrage movement? Can you name any one great thing religion has done that REQUIRES religion? Has religion done anything great and good that required a belief in god? When I think of the things that religion has done that faith was required I can think of no great good things; I think of the crusades, witches, 9/11 etc. All of those things REQUIRED a belief in god; they would not have happened if the people did not believe. Tell me about the good things religion has done that absolutely required a belief in god or else they would not have been accomplished.

“I don't have the link. It may be in their archives.”

I’ll try to look some more tonight; last night all I could find was tourist info.

“I guess your eyes must have a veil over them because you fail to see that it's the whole of mankind that is corrupt and in need of a rescuer.”

I admit humanity is corrupt, but religion is also corrupt and you don’t use a dirty towel to dry a baby.

“Do you believe that we just take a dirt bath and get eaten by the worms and that's all it comes too?”

I have seen no evidence that would change my mind. I’ve looked at the world the best I can and have based many things on the amount of evidence at hand; so far I haven’t seen anything to make me believe in an omniscient omnipotent god. Something that huge would require a huge amount of empirical incontrovertible irrefutable evidence of which I haven’t seen.

Ken Weaver

7:17 AM, July 22, 2008  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This youtube video was hilarious, it's called "An Atheist Meets God".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urlTBBKTO68&feature=user


Ken Weaver

6:35 PM, July 22, 2008  
Blogger John Hosty-Grinnell said...

This is the type of misinformation typical of the radical right:

"Look was has happened to David Parker and his family because he objected to his early elementary school aged son being taught, in school, w/o parental notification, that homosexual liasons are normal behavior. His son has been beatup and all manner of humiliations have been bestowed on the Parkers by those in support of the normalization of a dangerous behavior. I may not be remembering right but I believe the Lexington school district even refuses to allow the boy to be opted out."

First off, David Parker was arrested because he wouldn't listen to police commands. His son was beaten up over a lunchroom argument that spilled out into the playground, saying otherwise implies a lie. Lastly, Parker can have his kid schooled wherever he wants, it's a free society. If he doesn't like what one school is teaching he can take his kid elsewhere just like everyone else.

I thought this blog was called "know thy facts..."?

4:12 AM, July 29, 2008  
Blogger SCIA said...

John,

You said:

"His son was beaten up over a lunchroom argument that spilled out into the playground, saying otherwise implies a lie."

Cite your sources.

8:35 PM, August 01, 2008  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To J Hosty:
You write-"First off, David Parker was arrested because he wouldn't listen to police commands." So was Rosa Parks. By the way: the court resolution involves no presumption or admission of being guilty of anything.

You write-"His son was beaten up over a lunchroom argument that spilled out into the playground, saying otherwise implies a lie." My son was not arguing with anybody- most of the children involved were from parents that were viciously/vocally against us. Coincidence? Children sometimes act out from displaced anger/hate that they have been taught at home. An initiating "incident" is therefore not the root cause of violent behaviour.. just an excuse to be violent to a kid from "that bad Parker family".
You write-"Lastly, Parker can have his kid schooled wherever he wants, it's a free society. If he doesn't like what one school is teaching he can take his kid elsewhere just like everyone else."
We moved to Lexington for the highly tauted school system (ironically). My children have the constitutional right not to be indoctrinated to embrace, affirm, and celebrate homosexuality/gay marriage as a form of "diversity"-behind my back.(if the town would offer to pay for private school/closing costes/realitor fees/etc)---we could fairly discuss your solution.

David Parker

10:11 AM, August 02, 2008  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

“My children have the constitutional right not to be indoctrinated to embrace, affirm, and celebrate homosexuality/gay marriage as a form of "diversity"-behind my back.(”

Then your children also have a constitutional right to not be indoctrinated into believing in invisible men, but I bet you yourself ignore that don’t you sir?

When you go to a public school your kids are taught what the government wishes to teach, if you don’t approve of what is taught go to another school. It is not up to the taxpayers to teach your child whatever you wish him to be taught, that is your responsibility so don’t ask for a handout to take your kids to a parochial Christian indoctrination center.

Ken Weaver

12:53 PM, August 02, 2008  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To Ken:
You write: "Then your children also have a constitutional right to not be indoctrinated into believing in invisible men" - Jesus Christ was not an "invisible man"-and parents have a right to pass on their beliefs to their children.. it is part of the profound responsibility parents have.
You write-"When you go to a public school your kids are taught what the government wishes to teach, if you don’t approve of what is taught go to another school."Interesting-- what if they taught- homosexuality is an abomination before the Lord. And what if they taught to embrace , affirm, and celebrate Christian "families".And what if they taught- it is 2008-the year of our Lord.

You write-"It is not up to the taxpayers to teach your child whatever you wish him to be taught, that is your responsibility so don’t ask for a handout to take your kids to a parochial Christian indoctrination center."- I'm not asking the "taxpayers" to teach anything. I'm DEMANDING that other adults tell me what ideas they are attempting to have my children embrace and celebrate--what they are saying and when to my immpressional children. Do you have a problem with telling the TRUTH?

David Parker

1:19 PM, August 02, 2008  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

“Jesus Christ was not an "invisible man…”

I thought Jesus is god? I haven’t seen him around anywhere. At least Elvis shows up sometimes. Although Jesus and his mom do occasionally show up on toast and macaroni.

“and parents have a right to pass on their beliefs to their children.. it is part of the profound responsibility parents have.”

I am a parent, I taught my son to think for himself and judge things on his own. When you teach your children to follow Jesus’ teachings you are removing their free will and brainwashing them. Did you also have a doctor mutilate your son’s genitalia to please your god? Don’t you find that disgusting?

“what if they taught- homosexuality is an abomination before the Lord.”

I’d take my child elsewhere.

“I'm DEMANDING that other adults tell me what ideas they are attempting to have my children embrace and celebrate”

So the school was teaching your son to be gay? They taught him where to put his penis and what to do? Don’t be so melodramatic. What they were teaching was that homosexuality exists. They were teaching them that it’s not “evil” to be a homosexual. When your son grows up if he doesn’t like the homosexual lifestyle he doesn’t have to become a homosexual. It seems that if you have your way if he decides to become a homosexual he’ll have to hide it from you and I’m sure that’s healthy.

“Do you have a problem with telling the TRUTH?”

Hey, I like the truth. I like the real truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. It’s just that too many times the truth has been hidden from our eyes to promote a religion. When a religion does that it is no longer trustworthy, not one part of it.

“my immpressional children”

Did you ever teach or hear your kids sing “Jesus loves me this I know” or “onward Christian soldiers”? Did you ever pause to think that those words are removing your child’s ability to think critically? Did you ever wonder if god truly exists? Aren’t you removing your child’s ability to find god on their own?

Ken Weaver

11:20 PM, August 02, 2008  
Anonymous omd said...

Ken your having a hard time finding a place to fit in. You're not a believer in Jesus, you're not an agnostic and your not an atheist.

It is not the school's perogative to be a social engineering institution. The schools should ONLY be teaching abnd acting from the highest of standards.

If they want kids to think critically then they MUST teach a fair and balanced philosophy not one based on the inability of humans to control their urges. OR presenting as fact that people are just made homosexual. There is no scientific evidence of that.

Ken, you freely use the word "religion" but only implying Christianity. I will share with you again.

True Christianity is a belief in Jesus, and following His teachings that are found in and throughout the Bible. Religious systems are man made system that are not rooted in Christ. ALSO, people are people. We are all fallen creatures. You sound like your still stuck in John Lennon's preamble "Imagine". Mankind does not have the ability to develop a world like that.

Schools - I want my kids taught academics not social engineering. I'll attend to the moral upbringing of them.

Stop fighting so hard against a God that loves you and wants you to return to Him. You still have time. After you die it will be to late.

9:18 AM, August 03, 2008  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

“You're not a believer in Jesus, you're not an agnostic and your not an atheist.”

I’m not a believer in Jesus, as for the other I’m still not sure.

“It is not the school's perogative to be a social engineering institution.”

You got that right; but it used to be. Christians used the schools for indoctrination for years. And these Christians thought it was just wonderful; but it was not. Now that Christians don’t have the same kind of control they’re upset. Our children are taught evolution and these Christians have devised a new way to get their beliefs taught by the schools; intelligent design. I am sure Mr. Parker would have been overjoyed at the prospect of creation being taught to his children; but it’s just not going to happen in a public school anymore.

“If they want kids to think critically then they MUST teach a fair and balanced philosophy not one based on the inability of humans to control their urges.”

More drama Omd? Fair and balanced? Do you mean Christ’s teachings too? That would not be fair and balanced; we must teach kids to decide for themselves if there is a god and if so how to choose a religion. But that lesson belongs at home. Since too many parents were ignoring their responsibility to teach their children about sex it became school policy to start. Since too many parents didn’t want to teach their children that homosexuality is not something to be afraid of the schools once again had to pick up the slack.

“OR presenting as fact that people are just made homosexual. There is no scientific evidence of that.”

Since when do Christians care what science says? They deny science all the time when it comes to the age of the earth, when dinosaurs existed, how different minerals came to be, how the continents got to be where they are, how the grand canyon was formed, etc, etc. Even if science proved that homosexuality is an inborn aspect of one’s life it’s not like Christians would ever believe it. They deny science anyway.

“Ken, you freely use the word "religion" but only implying Christianity.”

I’m assuming most people here are Christian; if I’m wrong and someone out there is offended I haven’t done enough Muslim bashing just ask; I can do that too.

“True Christianity is a belief in Jesus, and following His teachings that are found in and throughout the Bible.”

And how many Christians deny that Catholics or Mormons are Christians? We’ve already discussed some bible stuff and you refuse to recognize how the one book you asked me to read contradicts what is said in the OT. The bible is false, and I can prove it; just ask.

“You sound like your still stuck in John Lennon's preamble "Imagine". Mankind does not have the ability to develop a world like that.”

That is a good song but I prefer something with more bite to it. Listen to Metallica’s Leper Messiah and tell me what you think.

“Schools - I want my kids taught academics not social engineering. I'll attend to the moral upbringing of them.”

You maybe; but not your Christian brothers and sisters. They want Christianity taught in schools. They want to teach my child what is right and wrong based on the bible. That’s a hell of a lot more wrong than teaching about homosexuality.

“Stop fighting so hard against a God that loves you and wants you to return to Him. You still have time. After you die it will be to late.”

If the OT was true (it’s not) god would not be a being I could respect or love.

Ken Weaver

12:09 PM, August 03, 2008  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Omd, I’ve done some looking around for what you said about Amsterdam and have found very little. The government has been cracking down on brothels but they say it is a result of some financial cover ups for money laundering and it has nothing at all to do with the business of prostitution. I could find no evidence that the public is tired of the brothels, sex acts and drugs as you said. Any help would be appreciated since I’ve had no luck.

Ken Weaver

9:31 PM, August 03, 2008  

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