Friday, May 02, 2008

“We’re Here, We’re Queer, We're Intolerant of Opposing Viewpoints"!

Ryan Sorba, a controversial College Republican at California State University, is the author of the upcoming new book "The Born Gay Hoax" which is to be published in about 6 months. Click HERE for a link to a draft of the book (Key chapters included). Make sure to read Chapter 8, which describes in detail what the "homosexual agenda" is as I have gotten many comments on the definition of this agenda.

Mr. Sorba attempted to speak at Smith College in Northampton, MA this past Tuesday, April 29th, but was interupted by intolerant radical lesbian students who did not want Mr. Sorba to present his speech. Read full story HERE.
Mr. Sorba spoke at Framingham State College last month without any interuptions. Read full Story HERE.
It seems that the homosexual community who is fighting for the very same thing that they stamped out this week, free speech, civil rights, are very intolerant of opposing viewpoints regarding their dangerous lifestyle and will go to length to shut out anyone who heralds these opposing viewpoints.
Mr. Sorba was invited by the Smith Republican Club to speak about his opinion and the studies on the "gay gene", but the event was crashed by those who think their opinion only counts. Why does the homosexual community not tolerate any opposing viewpoints regarding the cause of their dangerous lifestyle? The scientific community is trying to find out the cause of homosexuality and may someday find that it is actually genetically based. If that was the case I would personally shut down this website. All of the studies on the cause of homosexuality point either to it being a personal choice as a result of an abusive childhood or as a result of the "gay gene". It therefore has been and continues to be found that the cause of homosexuality is UNKNOWN regardless of what you or I say, feel or have personally experienced.
Hopefully someday the cause of homosexuality will be determined, such that we can put this issue to rest.

39 Comments:

Blogger Ryan Sorba said...

Hey, just for clarification the book title is The "Born Gay" Hoax, not the gay gene hoax.

Thanks a lot.

11:10 AM, May 02, 2008  
Blogger SCIA said...

Ryan,

Sorry about the mistake. I have corrected the title and look forward to speaking with you soon.

11:55 AM, May 02, 2008  
Anonymous Rufus said...

"Why does the homosexual community not tolerate any opposing viewpoints regarding the cause of their dangerous lifestyle?"

If someone were giving a lecture on the evils of christianity, and questioning the very fabric of your beliefs, maybe you too would be hard pressed to hold your tongue and not interupt, even shout it down. I think there are many gay people simply fed up with the propegation of lies and stereotypes vilifing them, and don't want the continued spread of such propaganda. I'm not condoning the interuptions, but I understand it.

I find it funny you point to a massresistance story on Ryan's speech in Framingham. They claim, since the oposition didn't speak out, they were dumbfounded by the "proof" of Ryan's arguments. Maybe they were just being polite, and were actual letting Ryan have his time for free speach, no matter how ludicrous they found it. One can also be dumbfounded by perceived ignorance and stupidity.

As for there being no concrete proof of homosexuality being genetic, you are correct. There is also no proof of it being a choice, or caused by environment as a child (overbearing mother) or sexual abuse. Maybe it could be all of the above? If you look at the evidence, logically a biological reason (whether it be genetic, or hormonal or whatever) makes the most sense for the most people. You disregard the best evidence of all, the testimony of actual gay people. My brother was born gay. All evidence in his life points to this. Katie says she was born gay, and who better to make this assessment than herself.

Or is this part of the vast "homosexual agenda"?

Are you part of the "christian agenda"? The agenda that seeks to make America a christian nation, and have our govenment follow the bible rather than the constitution?

1:24 PM, May 02, 2008  
Blogger SCIA said...

Rufus,

You said:

"If someone were giving a lecture on the evils of christianity, and questioning the very fabric of your beliefs, maybe you too would be hard pressed to hold your tongue and not interupt, even shout it down."

I would actually sit and listen to what the individual had to say and then ask questions they could not answer. Simple as that. I would most definately not try and shut down the speach by rioting. That would be so stupid!!

You concluded with:

"Are you part of the "christian agenda"? The agenda that seeks to make America a christian nation, and have our govenment follow the bible rather than the constitution?"

1. America is a Christian nation.

2. The U.S. Constitution was made up by using Christian beliefs.

1:50 PM, May 02, 2008  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I am sorry but America is NOT a Christian nation.

While a majority of Americans may prescribe to the Christian faith, America is a secular nation. As such we have freedom of religion, not the freedom to worship ONE religion.

2:17 PM, May 02, 2008  
Blogger SCIA said...

Anonymous,

Please do your research before you comment on my blog.

America is a nation founded on Christian values and we do have the freedom to worship ONE religion.

Google the topic and you will be flooded with hits.

Visit www.wallbuilders.com for starters.

7:45 PM, May 02, 2008  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

“The U.S. Constitution was made up by using Christian beliefs.”

How stupid would someone have to be to create a Christian nation and forget to invoke the name of Christ in any of that country’s founding documents?

Ken Weaver

8:29 PM, May 02, 2008  
Blogger Tyler Dawbin said...

"If someone were giving a lecture on the evils of christianity..."

...Welcome to my world...

That lecture is going on around the clock on the airwaves, Rufus. It's on the news, radio, internet...you name it.

Supposedly we're responsible for all the evils in America, if you listen to certain people.

Funny thing, though - it was Christians that stopped slavery and helped with the Civil Rights movement (William Wilberforce, REVEREND Martin Luther King), so we can't be all that bad.

Can we?

3:22 AM, May 03, 2008  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

“Funny thing, though - it was Christians that stopped slavery and helped with the Civil Rights movement”

It’s also funny that some Christians used the bible to justify slavery and segregation.

Ken Weaver

4:45 AM, May 03, 2008  
Blogger SCIA said...

Ken,

You said:

"It’s also funny that some Christians used the bible to justify slavery and segregation."

Please cite scripture to prove this.

8:41 PM, May 03, 2008  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

“Please cite scripture to prove this.”

You want me to cite scripture about an event that happened like 150 years ago?? Or do you want me to justify slavery just because some Christians did? I can’t do the first one and I won’t try to justify slavery. I could send a link to a white supremacist web site so you could find their biblical justification, but I doubt that’s what you want. Anyway what do you want?

Ken Weaver

12:00 AM, May 04, 2008  
Blogger SCIA said...

Ken,

If you can not come up with the citation of scripture for your comments of "...Christians us(ing) the bible to justify slavery and segregation" than you obviously have no factual backup for your claim.

Your better than that!!

P.S. What do you think of the SitePal character that I am using? I think I will buy into the program. I am on a 15 day trial now, but I think I will buy one of the packages soon.

11:13 AM, May 05, 2008  
Anonymous Rufus said...

SCIA,

Ken is correct, the bible was used at one point to justify slavery. Can I cite a passage, no. But I remember this being discussed in a class many years ago. I also remember a discussion with Tyler about this, and he agreed the bible had once been used (unjustifiably) to argue for slavery. You are obviously proud of your biblical knowledge, and are a man of learning. I am surprised you are arguing the point. Surely your staff could look this up rather easily...

Are you in fact saying the bible was never used to justify slavery? Or are you just playing devil's advocate to Ken's assuption of your knowledge.

12:33 PM, May 05, 2008  
Blogger SCIA said...

Rufus,

I want to make sure that Ken is "running into" correct information when he is questioning scripture. No agenda attached. I could care less if I know slavery was NOT justified by scripture. I want to make sure Ken, and the rest of you, know.

2:53 PM, May 05, 2008  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

1. How did Jesus say a slave should treat his master?

“Servants, be subject to your masters with all fear; not only to the good and gentle, but also to the froward" (1 Peter 2:18). "Servants, be obedient to them that are your masters according to the flesh, with fear and trembling, in singleness of your heart, as unto Christ" (Ephesians 6:5).

2. What is God's policy on physical punishment of your slave?

“A servant will not be corrected by words: for though he understand he will not answer” (Proverbs 29:19). “And if a man smite the eye of his servant, or the eye of his maid, that it perish; he shall let him go free for his eye’s sake. And if he smite out his manservant’s tooth, or his maidservant’s tooth; he shall let him go free for his tooth’s sake” (Exodus 21:26-27).

3. Whom did God tell the Israelites they should turn into their slaves?

"Both thy bondmen, and thy bondmaids, which thou shalt have, shall be of the heathen that are round about you; of them shall ye buy bondmen and bondmaids” (Leviticus 25:44).

4. What does God say is to happen to a male slave after six years of service?

“If thou buy an Hebrew servant, six years he shall serve: and in the seventh he shall go out free for nothing. If he came in by himself, he shall go out by himself: if he were married, then his wife shall go out with him. If his master have given him a wife, and she have born him sons or daughters; the wife and her children shall be her master’s, and he shall go out by himself. And if the servant shall plainly say, I love my master, my wife, and my children; I will not go out free: Then his master shall bring him unto the judges; he shall also bring him to the door, or unto the door post; and his master shall bore his ear through with an aul; and he shall serve him for ever” (Exodus 21:2-6).

5. What does God say should happen to a master who beats his slave to death?

“And if a man smite his servant, or his maid, with a rod, and he die under his hand; he shall be surely punished. Notwithstanding, if he continue a day or two, he shall not be punished: for he is his money” (Exodus 21:20-21).

6. Does God allow you to sell your daughter into slavery?

“And if a man sell his daughter to be a maidservant, she shall not go out as the menservants do. If she please not her master, who hath betrothed her to himself, then shall he let her be redeemed: to sell her unto a strange nation, he shall have no power, seeing he hath dealt deceitfully with her. And if he have betrothed her unto his son, he shall deal with her after the manner of daughters. If he take him another wife: her food, her raiment, and her duty of marriage, shall he not diminish” (Exodus 21:7-10).

7. What punishments does God mandate when an ox gores a free man and when an ox gores a slave?

“If an ox gore a man or a woman, that they die: then the ox shall be surely stoned, and his flesh shall not be eaten; but the owner of the ox shall be quit. But if the ox were wont to push with his horn in time past, and it hath been testified to his owner, and he hath not kept him in, but that he hath killed a man or a woman; the ox shall be stoned, and his owner also shall be put to death. . . . If the ox shall push a manservant or a maidservant; he shall give unto their master thirty shekels of silver, and the ox shall be stoned” (Exodus 21:28-32).

8. What was the plight of those not born Israelites?

“Moreover of the children of the strangers that do sojourn among you, of them shall ye buy, and of their families that are with you, which they begat in your land: and they shall be your possession. And ye shall take them as an inheritance for your children after you, to inherit them for a possession; they shall be your bondmen for ever" (Leviticus 25:44-46).

9. What conduct by slaves does Jesus dislike?

“Servants, obey in all things your masters according to the flesh; not with eyeservice, as menpleasers; but in singleness of heart, fearing God” (Colossians 3:22; see also Ephesians 6:5-6). “Exhort servants to be obedient unto their own masters, and to please them well in all things; not answering again; Not purloining, but shewing all good fidelity; that they may adorn the doctrine of God our Savior in all things” (Titus 2:9-10).

10. What effect does God say warfare has on slavery?

“And when the Lord thy God hath delivered [a city] into thine hands, thou shalt smite every male thereof with the edge of the sword: But the women, and the little ones, and the cattle, and all that is in the city, even the spoil thereof, shalt thou take unto thyself; and thou shalt eat the spoil of thine enemies, which the Lord thy God hath given thee” (Deuteronomy 20:13-14).

I hope this satisfies you Scia, I think now I’ll be sick. It must be the bible.

Ken Weaver

7:44 PM, May 05, 2008  
Blogger SCIA said...

Ken,

I will respond to each and every piece of scripture you have posted. Give me a day or two for a response.

I am glad you are reading the Bible even if it is making you sick.

12:06 PM, May 07, 2008  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Scia, you don’t need to respond to those passages. I do not endorse any of them as an excuse for slavery. These were popular passages to Christians who believed slavery was morally and biblically justified. I don’t care whether the bible says slavery is wrong or not… it is wrong to me. For you to show any biblical passages that decree slavery as evil makes no difference. Although it does prove something; the bible can be used to justify almost anything depending on how one interprets what it says.

Ken Weaver

7:02 PM, May 07, 2008  
Blogger SCIA said...

Ken,

You said:

"These were popular passages to Christians who believed slavery was morally and biblically justified."

This is the translation according to Ken, not according to the Bible.

“Servants, be subject to your masters with all fear; not only to the good and gentle, but also to the froward" (1 Peter 2:18).

Peter was addressing Christian slaves such as household servants. New Testament writers, such as Paul, do not attack slavery as an institution, but the New Testament contains the principles that ultimately uprooted slavery. Peter's basic teachings on the subject may apply to employer-employee relations today.

1 Peter 2:20 - "But how is it to your credit if you receive a beating for doing wrong and endure it? But if you suffer for doing good and you endure it, this is commendable before God."

Ken, you need to read the whole chapter before coming to your OWN conclusions and translations.

“A servant will not be corrected by words: for though he understand he will not answer” (Proverbs 29:19)."

Servants, like sons, must be disciplined. The type of discipline, in which you are translating to be painful, is not what is being discussed in this passage. All God's children, including yourself, must be punished or disciplined but not in a painful or negative way. If God did not discipline you and his children, then he must not love his children. The discipline being discussed here is through teachings and not painful methods.

Exodus 21:2-6

21:2 - "...But in the seventh year, he shall go gree, without paying anything"

The Lord's servants are not to be anyone's perpetual slaves.

AGAIN, Old Testament, AKA Old Covonent, such as all your Exodus, Deuteronomy and Leviticus passages,are no longer followed due to the Resurection of Christ and the new laws of the New Testatment, AKA New Covonent.

Ken, before MAKING up your own conclusions and translations of scripture, you need to understand the context of the passages. Try and look into the true meaning of the word of God so you can have a better understanding of what God is saying instead of pretending to understand what God is saying.

It is great that you are reading the Bible, but before you make your own "knee-jerk" translations of a passage, seek the true meaning first and look into if the meaning is authentic.

Good job!!

3:37 PM, May 08, 2008  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

SCIA!!!!!!!!!

THESE ARE NOT MY PULLOUTS FROM THE BIBLE!!!!!

I did not come up with these passages to promote slavery nor did I bring them up to prove slavery as biblically moral. I got all these passages from a white supremacist web site. I also looked into some history and many “Christians” used a number of these biblical quotes back in the 1800’s. I have been trying to tell you this since you asked me to me back up what I said. Do you honestly think I need to come up with this kind of crap to not believe in the bible? Of course not… there’s so much more I can use for that.

Ken Weaver

9:04 PM, May 08, 2008  
Blogger John Hosty-Grinnell said...

1. "America is a Christian nation."

This is a secular nation where all religions are considered equal.

2. "The U.S. Constitution was made up by using Christian beliefs."

The constitution was based on the Iriquois Indian's constitution.

3. "Please cite scripture to prove this." (referring to the Bible being used to justify slavery)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity_and_slavery

http://www.libchrist.com/other/homosexual/slave.html

We'll be waiting for your response Scia, make sure you know your facts this time.

7:18 PM, May 09, 2008  
Blogger SCIA said...

John,

You have to really stop depending on Wikipedia.org for a decieving interpretation of scripture. Wikipedia is a site in which people can submit their own opinions and blanket them as fact for a price. Your really digging deep though!!!

I said:

"The U.S. Constitution was made up by using Christian beliefs."

Please refer to this factual site:

http://www.jeremiahproject.com/culture/csquotes.html

Oh, order the book "America's Godly Heritage" by David Barton. This book will educate you on the Christian roots of our nation. Interesting read!! Order by going to

http://www.amazon.com/dp/6303891284?tag=jeremiahproject&camp=14573&creative=327641&linkCode=as1&creativeASIN=6303891284&adid=0SPHYDQSFWDB3HGW0B67&

ONLY $7.00!!

You said incorrectly:

"The constitution was based on the Iriquois Indian's constitution."

It was POSSIBLY influenced, NOT based on. You need to do more research before posting on my blog.

One source in support of the "influence" idea: "Thomas Riley, 'History and Foodstuffs,' National Review, November 19, 1990." A biographical check indicated that Riley is a professor of anthropology at the University of Illinois. The purported article does NOT exist, at least not in National Review.

Postmodern Public Administration: Toward Discourse. Thousand Hills, Calif.: Sage Publications, 1995:

On page 67, discussing "the Foundations of Constitutionalism," authors Fox and Miller write: "At an intellectual level, anything that attempts to pass itself off, in postmodern conditions, as canonical (like the founding of a constitution or some distant social contract) will be debunked, deconstructed, and dismissed." Fox and Miller believe that "the radical nominalism of postmodernism is singularly hostile to claims of universality....If constitutionalists assert one version of the founding, the Iroquois can provide a different version of how the founding came to be. (That is to say, what white Americans take to be the founding was nothing but a plagiarized version of the Iroquois governance structure.)"

Keep trying John. Your just pure entertainment from here on out.

8:02 AM, May 12, 2008  
Blogger SCIA said...

To All,

There is a direct reference to the Lord Jesus Christ in the U.S. Constitution:

"DONE in convention by the unanimous consent of the States present, the seventeenth of September, in the year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and eighty seven and of the independence of the United States of America the twelfth. In witness whereof we have hereunto subscribed our Names."

God Bless you all!!

8:04 AM, May 12, 2008  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Could a "real" Christian own a slave? Could a false Christian create a christian nation? How would a Christian nation have treated the American indians?

Ken Weaver

5:44 PM, May 12, 2008  
Blogger John Hosty-Grinnell said...

Whenever I am asked to read something I consider the source before I waste my time.

"We have staked the whole future of American civilization, not upon the power of government, far from it. We have staked the future of all of our political institutions upon the capacity of each and all of us to govern ourselves according to the Ten Commandments of God."

So said James Madison, architect of the Constitution, defender of religious freedom and fourth president of the United States, according to the Religious Right.

Now the major purveyor of the quote, Texas-based Religious Right propagandist David Barton, has admitted it's bogus.

This David Barton is the author of "America's Godly Heritage". He follows the same pattern as other right wing Christians; lie for the sake of your agenda.

7:37 PM, May 12, 2008  
Blogger John Hosty-Grinnell said...

The Jeremiah Project? Do you have any idea how Fred Phelps this sounds?!

Please everyone reading here, go to the site for Scia so you can see what he is referencing:

http://www.jeremiahproject.com/index.html

7:42 PM, May 12, 2008  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If Christianity is so “god” willed, how come it took the combination of god and Christians nearly 2000 years to make a government like the United States? Or did god and Christianity have to experiment and fumble around to create it? Or could it be that there was no divine intervention and men who called themselves Christian did what they wanted to regardless of the teachings of Christ?

Calling the United States of America a Christian nation demeans Christianity and the future of our government. Christianity is already burdened with numerous crimes against humanity; do we really need to add more? If our government is actually secular we can rightly say that the past discretions of our government were due to a growing up of sorts. Young governments make mistakes not unlike adolescents. A government built on the precepts of religion and the bible should not have made mistakes because god and Christ should have been looking out for us.

Ken Weaver

9:41 PM, May 12, 2008  
Blogger SCIA said...

Ken,

You asked:

"If Christianity is so “god” willed, how come it took the combination of god and Christians nearly 2000 years to make a government like the United States?"

Rome was not built overnite Ken.

You concluded with:

"A government built on the precepts of religion and the bible should not have made mistakes because god and Christ should have been looking out for us."

If that was the case we would all be living in heaven.

7:08 AM, May 15, 2008  
Blogger John Hosty-Grinnell said...

Scia, I really hope you don't think people are going to gorget you brought up the Jeremiah Project.

It seems like you are doing your best not to talk that point you made. Why would that be?

7:26 AM, May 15, 2008  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

“Rome was not built overnite Ken.”

Rome wasn’t a Christian nation either. At least not during its early days.

“If that was the case we would all be living in heaven.”

If Christians with the help of god created the government why isn’t it heaven? You’d think they would know best how. But sadly they created a government that permitted slavery and the treatment of the indigenous people worse than awful. Thanks Christians, oh and thanks to god too.

Ken Weaver

7:46 AM, May 15, 2008  
Blogger SCIA said...

Ken,

I said:

“Rome was not built overnite Ken.”

Just an expression not to be taken literally.

You said:

"...But sadly they (Christians) created a government that permitted slavery and the treatment of the indigenous people worse than awful."

1. So, you do agree that our government is based on Christian values?

2. Where are your sources that indicate CHRISTIANS permitted slavery or for that matter invented it?

3. God created this world but the fallen angel Satan created the evil in it, so you can thank him for wrong doings and not God.

4:12 AM, May 17, 2008  
Blogger SCIA said...

John,

What is your beef with the Jeremiah Project??

4:13 AM, May 17, 2008  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

“Just an expression not to be taken literally.”

I guess not even god can create Rome overnight, but the Earth he can!

“1. So, you do agree that our government is based on Christian values?”

No, I was playing the Devil’s advocate.

“2. Where are your sources that indicate CHRISTIANS permitted slavery or for that matter invented it?”

Oh come on Scia, are you honestly going to tell me you don’t think Christians owned slaves in the South let alone permitted it. As far as inventing slavery, that was well before anyone had even imagined a Christian.

“3. God created this world but the fallen angel Satan created the evil in it, so you can thank him for wrong doings and not God.”

So… Satan created slavery, why didn’t god tell Moses slavery was bad in the commandments? God had ample opportunity to tell someone. But noooo, god had leave it ambiguous.

Ken Weaver

12:04 PM, May 17, 2008  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

God is all about ambiguity. He (or She) had some explaining to do. Nothing new to say in 2000 years? Maybe He (or She) got so disgusted with what was being done in His (Her) name, He (She) gave up on man, or left us to our own devices.

The god promoted on this site is way too narrow minded, and is not deserving of my time. Luckily SCIA had it all wrong. If I thought it would do any good, I'd explain how, but SCIA is too narrow minded (like his god) to even consider other posiblities.

1:47 PM, May 17, 2008  
Blogger John Hosty-Grinnell said...

My problem with the Jeremiah Project is that it sounds just like Fred Phelps. I know you approve of the hate group MassResistance, but do you go as far as to condone Fred Phelps and open hatred of GLBT people?

Honestly, what do you expect us to do? All we want is to live in peace with people who are different from us. In no way do I expect you to compromise your ways for me unless those ways include open bullying or worse.

You are never going to convince all GLBT people to bend to your will. The best you can ever expect is our voluntary co-operation, and you don't get that when you villianize us.

The Jeremiah Project seeks to scare religious faithfuls into thinking they must fear and hate GLBT people as if they were Satanic. That disgusts me and any other person who values liberty and equality.

Judge me by my actions and intents, but not by who I am inherently. It is too much to ask of anyone for them to change who they are born as. It sets the stage for life to become a burden rather than the miracle of joy it should be.

2:16 PM, May 17, 2008  
Blogger SCIA said...

Anonymous,

Bring on your decieved notions of other gods.

8:58 PM, May 17, 2008  
Blogger SCIA said...

John,

Please cite your sources for the following claims:

1. "The Jeremiah Project seeks to scare religious faithfuls into thinking they must fear and hate GLBT people as if they were Satanic."

2. "It is too much to ask of anyone for them to change who they are born as."

9:02 PM, May 17, 2008  
Blogger Ambivorous said...

Wow. Scia is a true fucktard.

7:51 AM, May 19, 2008  
Blogger SCIA said...

Ambivorous,

If you can articulate yourself without using profanity you can comment on my blog. If you can't articulate yourself on my blog, in which you have clearly shown hear, do not comment on my blog.

Grow up.

6:24 PM, May 20, 2008  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ambivorous, you’re being lame. If you don’t like it here… go away! I doubt anyone twisted your arm.

Ken Weaver

11:04 PM, May 20, 2008  

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