Wednesday, May 28, 2008

'There IS a Way Out!'

There is a great post on the Ex-Gay movement by Bob Unruh from WorldNetDaily titled "Now it's EX-'gays' getting pummeled".

Read full article HERE.

The "Best Comment Award" goes to the anonymous author from The State of America when stated:

"...What about the harassment of the goofy looking guy with glasses, or the person with a big wart on her neck, or the one with too many ugly pimples, or wimps, or nerds, or those who wear black cloaks and look like gangsters, or all the others who are often harassed because of appearance or speech problem or whatever? Gays are certainly not the only one silenced, harassed, bullied, alienated, or isolated. A lot of kids have been murdered by others kids because of being harassed before and since the Columbine massacre. Why is their not a national day of protest for them? Because gays are the only group with a corporate funded political agenda."
AMEN!!

17 Comments:

Anonymous Daniel said...

Thanks for showering my work with the prestigious "Best Comment Award." I'm humbled and honored.

Daniel
The State of America

7:52 PM, May 28, 2008  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"...What about the harassment of the goofy looking guy with glasses, or the person with a big wart on her neck, or the one with too many ugly pimples, or wimps, or nerds, or those who wear black cloaks and look like gangsters, or all the others who are often harassed because of appearance or speech problem or whatever?”

If someone wants to start a special program for them I won’t stand in the way. Is there anyone who would?

Ken Weaver

8:28 PM, May 28, 2008  
Anonymous Rufus said...

Daniel (and you too SCIA) just doesn't get it! What a rediculous comment.

Why is it such a problem for a group being harassed to address the problem? If others want to start groups, and have a national day to bring their plight to the attention of the world, there is nothing stopping them.

You need to stop seeing conspiracies where there are none.

And, by the way, that story you link to is totally off base. More misdirection, and misrepresentation. The best they could come up with is a seven year old unverified story about the murder of someone who was trying not to be gay, and suddenly there is a problem with ex-gays being pummelled? Rediculous, overblown and irrelevent. This was a horrible crime of passion and betrayal, and not a hate crime.

7:22 AM, May 29, 2008  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Ex=gay" is a lie. There is no such thing. I know, I lived it. My parents sent me to a "treatment" center, and after about a year they said I was "cured". but the desire for other men never went away. I, and some others I met "in treatment" decided the only way to get out of it, once it became clear there was no hope of change, decided to lie to get out of it. I had to lie to my parents another year so they wouldn't try to send me back. I saved money and moved far away from them.

Stop telling these lies, there is not a way out, no matter how hard you pray.

1:00 PM, May 31, 2008  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ex-gay anonymous, if it's not too personal a question I'd like to know how old you were when your parents sent you to a "treatment" center.

Ken Weaver

9:44 PM, May 31, 2008  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I was 16, and now I'm 24.

2:43 PM, June 02, 2008  
Blogger John Hosty-Grinnell said...

The best truthful information you can find about the myth of the ex-gay is from Wayne Besen's website truthwinsout.org.

Wayne is the one who photographed the poster boy of the ex-gay movement running from a gay bar.

A review of his book:

"An in-depth, well-researched, and historically significant account, Anything but Straight is full of startling facts and alarming surprises. The book includes: - the inside story of the night the author photographed "ex-gay" poster boy John Paulk inside a gay bar - previously undisclosed bizarre techniques used by the "ex-gay" ministries and "reparative therapists" - the author's exclusive in-depth interviews with leading "ex-gay" leaders--they disclose their deepest secrets, hidden desires, and true motivations - an extraordinary new study that shows that most "ex-gay" leaders have suffered from substance abuse or severe emotional problems--while many "ex-gay" leaders claim they were "unhappy being gay," this report helps prove that their dissatisfactions came not from their homosexuality, but from poor life choices and irresponsible behavior - new revelations that one of the nation's leading "reparative therapists" belonged to a secretive cult that was scandalized for practicing nude therapy"

As always in these blogs you should know your facts! ;)

6:24 PM, June 02, 2008  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ex-ex-gay anonymous is a more appropriate title for you, no insult intended.

It’s been 8 years since your parent sent you to “therapy,” has your relationship with them improved? My parents put me out on the street but after a few years we worked things out, our relationship was never the same though. We could talk civilly but at least on my end there was a coldness we never broke through. My father died late last year; sometimes I miss him but sometimes I’m still angry as well. My mother and I talk but it’s been mostly because she trusts my judgment; not because she likes me.

I wish you luck, I found life difficult without at least a minimal relationship with my parents.

Ken Weaver

7:28 PM, June 02, 2008  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It's very sad when parents don't really actively care about their children. Based on their very limited thinking ("Loving gay relationships are bad"), I'm sure that they actually think that they're trying to help their kids by having them going to these ex-gay camps, but as has been seen, it ends up making their kids suffer more in the end.

I've seen some people proclaim that they supposedly are now not gay and are happily married, but there seem to be so many more stories of (obviously) very negative outcomes as a result of this "reparative" therapy. It seems these so-called caring parents seem to ignore this evidence and just want their child "fixed" and who cares what happens in the process.

-Gary

10:49 AM, June 03, 2008  
OpenID dmurphy98 said...

"Ex gays"?! That's hilarious!!! Thanks for the laugh. You joker.

6:58 PM, June 03, 2008  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey Gary, I’m not really sure we can blame parents for wanting their kids to be normal. I have confidence that these parents just want what they see as the best for their kids. I’m sure they would lay down their lives for their kids just as most would, but society and religion has indoctrinated the thought process that homosexuality is evil in some way and an addiction of a sort. It’s not evil to want your children to grow into happy, well adjusted productive members of society; and hope those same children will find a wonderful spouse, marry and have lots of children. I want all that for my son. I admit myself that I would do anything, ABSOLUTELY ANYTHING to provide that for my child. And if some snake oil salesman could provide me with some hope I’d probably try it. The problem with this is the snake oil can cause problems on its own and the salesman is religion. We’ve been taught that our preachers love us and want us to have healthy souls and I’m even sure most of them do. But our culture has put a stigma on homosexuality, and until we can rid ourselves of that stigma we have to try and move forward. It’s not wrong to want your kids to marry a person of the opposite sex and have kids; it’s just wrong to put those priorities above the one where we want our kids to be happy.

Ken Weaver

7:24 PM, June 03, 2008  
Blogger SCIA said...

Anonymous,

You said:

"Stop telling these lies, there is not a way out (from being gay), no matter how hard you pray."

It's not how hard you pray, but how hard you CHOSE to listen.

5:37 PM, June 06, 2008  
Blogger SCIA said...

Ken,

Why did your parents put you out on the streets? I hope this is not too much of a personal question. If so, please e-mail me, if you wish to answer the question.

5:41 PM, June 06, 2008  
Blogger SCIA said...

Gary,

The only way gays can be "fixed" is through Christ and his devotion to help those who are suffering from homosexuality.

I agree with your point that "It's very sad when parents don't really actively care about their children," especially when the child is gay. No matter what the child's choices in life, a parent SHOULD show and express love and respect for the child, and then show them the way Christ would want them to live their lives, not the way the world would want them to live their lives.

Good job.

Scia

5:47 PM, June 06, 2008  
Blogger SCIA said...

Ken,

You said:

"It’s not evil to want your children to grow into happy, well adjusted productive members of society; and hope those same children will find a wonderful spouse, marry and have lots of children."

How can this happen if two men or two women "marry" eachother? They will have to rely on HETEROsexual behaviors in order to have a made up "family" that is someone elses (the sperm or egg doners) and then play house for the rest of their lives.

Ken,

Do you think God wants you to be happy or did your childhood change your thought process on this matter?

5:52 PM, June 06, 2008  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

“Why did your parents put you out on the streets?”

My Father would say that I was too willful and refused to honor his wishes; he would be correct. I started working when I was 14; my parents started taking the money I earned not long after. I continued working not because of the money but because it allowed me an excuse to be out of the house. Even though my Father lived in Tucson and then Vermont (we lived in Phoenix) my parents were still close and continued to act as one when it came to me and my 2 sisters (my brother was living on his own by this time.) My Mother was what some would say not holding a full deck. I didn’t trust her, so I naturally wanted to be away as much as possible. After I turned 18 I stopped allowing my parents access to the money I was making, I told them it was for my future when I was able to get out on my own, my parents hoped that by kicking me out I wouldn’t have a place to stay so I would be forced to acquiesce to their wishes. I lived with my Grandparents for 3 months until I was able to get my own apartment. That caused a lot of fuss.

“How can this happen if two men or two women "marry" eachother?”

You must have missed the end of my post which states that while parents may want that for their children, their children may not want it for themselves. And parents must remember that our children’s happiness trumps our own. It’s not wrong to want your kids to marry a person of the opposite sex and have kids, it is wrong however to try to force them to that when their happiness leads them elsewhere.

“Do you think God wants you to be happy…”

Possibility #1: God could care less if I’m happy or sad.

Possibility #2: God doesn’t exist.

Since I have seen nothing from god to show me whether or not he cares, either possibility is plausible. And I don’t mean the stuff in the bible, it could all be a book of lies; I mean the parts where after a prayer a person gets a special feeling like my wife says she gets or something like that. It doesn’t have to be profound, just something that would make me feel like god’s watching me. I can’t pray anymore, I did enough of that and got nothing to show for it. If god wants to connect with me now (if he exists at all) he’ll have to do it on my terms, not his. It might be arrogant of me to ask for that, but after getting nothing when I did believe; I feel it’s owed me.

Ken Weaver

8:29 PM, June 06, 2008  
Blogger John Hosty-Grinnell said...

Scia why is it you will continually call people out when they don't address the points you have made, yet when others makde points against yours you side step them? Wayne Besen has made quite an argument against the "Ex-Gay" myth, yet you have no comment?

This reminds me of the several times I've asked why you have a staff for a website that gets no readership, yet you continue not to answer that too.

Aren't the fact important anymore?

11:59 AM, June 07, 2008  

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