Sunday, August 19, 2007

The Oppressed Become Oppressors

Melissa Walker of DES MOINES REGISTER.COM reports that an agreement that was supposed to end a five-year fight between the Des Moines YMCA and a lesbian couple who wanted a family membership only intensified the debate on Monday, August 6, 2007.

Greater Des Moines YMCA officials had agreed to settle a human rights complaint and expand their definition of "family" to include M and Sandra Patton-Imani, a Des Moines lesbian couple joined in a civil union in Vermont in 2000. But the couple refused to sign the document when they found out it contained a confidentiality clause.
Read full story HERE.
I looked at the website for the YMCA of Greater Des Moines, Iowa and read their mission statement which is stated as follows:
"The YMCA mission is to put Christian principles into practice through programs that build healthy spirit, mind and body for all."
Click HERE to view the website.
Now, with a non-profit organization having a mission statement such as this really indicates that this whole case is about demonizing the Christian faith. This case would fall under the "Portray Gays as Victims, Not Aggressive Challengers" of the homosexual agenda. This homosexual agenda, as I have indicated in many posts in the past, was devised by homosexual activists Marshall Kirk and Hunter Madsen. This agenda was published in 1987 in an article titled "The Overhauling of Straight America" and in the book "After the Ball" in 1989.
As explained in "The Homosexual Agenda" by Alan Sears and Craig Osten:
This agenda point is a direct play to most Americans' basic sense of fairness and liberal guilt about anyone who claims to have been oppressed. Therefore, despite demographic statistics to the contrary, homosexual activists have skillfully played the media like a drum to portray themselves as a victimized class in need of special protections.
In a November 26th, 2002 article in the Washington Times, Ellen Sorokin reports of a homosexual teenager who killed a Catholic women who was trying to persuade him to change his sexual orientation. The woman, Mary Stachowicz, was found strangled and then was placed in a crawl space under a floor. Yet there was no "hue and cry" over this "hate crime" and it was barely reported in the national press.
Peter LaBarbera, who was interviewed in the article, had this to say about the case:
"If a gay man had been murdered for trying to convince someone to be gay, it would be a national news story and be deemed a hate crime. But when a gay man murders a woman who tried to convince him to change, the media spike(s) the story."
It's an amazing thing to watch a group that said they were oppressed become oppressors.


Anonymous Anonymous said...

“It's an amazing thing to watch a group that said they were oppressed become oppressors.”

Yes it is. Shouldn’t be a new idea to the Christian religion though.

Ken Weaver

8:40 PM, August 19, 2007  
Blogger SCIA said...


How are Christians oppressing others? Could it be that they are spreading the good word and therefore oppressing others with rightousness?

4:49 AM, August 20, 2007  
Blogger Tyler Dawbin said...

I see Ken's point.

There are many so-called christians that use their faith simply as a chip, a card to be played.

There is a difference between those who claim the name, and those who actually bear it.

There are also many Christians that are still sinners...100% of them according to God's tally-sheet.

7:05 AM, August 20, 2007  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

“How are Christians oppressing others?”

Sorry Scia, maybe I should have clarified. I wasn’t so much talking about the Christianity of today but of the overall history of Christianity, which most certainly is pockmarked with oppression starting when Christianity became law in Rome.

“Could it be that they are spreading the good word and therefore oppressing others with rightousness?”

Interesting thought, but I must say oppression is still oppression even when done with good intentions.

Ken Weaver

7:48 AM, August 20, 2007  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I thought it was widely held that the homosexual community was neither a minority nor opressed. Are you changing your opinion?

8:39 AM, August 20, 2007  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I saw this joke in the internet the other day and thought it was funny so I thought I’d pass it along. Hope you haven’t heard it yet.

Ken Weaver

An atheist was taking a walk through the woods, admiring all that evolution had created.

"What majestic trees! What powerful rivers! What beautiful animals!", he said to himself. As he was walking along the river, he heard a rustling in
the bushes behind him. When he turned to see what the cause was, he saw a 7-foot grizzly charging right towards him. He ran as fast as he
could. He looked over his shoulder and saw that the bear was closing,
He ran even faster, crying in fear. He looked over his shoulder again,
and the bear was even closer. His heart was pounding and he tried to
run even faster. He tripped and fell on the ground. He rolled over to
pick himself up, but saw the bear right on top of him, reaching for him
with his left paw and raising his right paw to strike him.

At that moment, the Atheist cried out "Oh my God!...."

Time stopped. The bear froze. The forest was silent. Even the river stopped moving.

As a bright light shone upon the man, a voice came out of the sky, "You
deny my existence for all of these years; teach others I don't exist;
and even credit creation to a cosmic accident. Do you expect me to help
you out of this predicament? Am I to count you as a believer?"

The atheist looked directly into the light "It would be hypocritical of me
to suddenly ask You to treat me as Christian now, but perhaps could you
make the bear a Christian?" "Very well," said the voice.

The light went out. The river ran again. And the sounds of the forest resumed.

And then the bear dropped his right paw ..... brought both paws
together...bowed his head and spoke: "Lord, for this food which I am
about to receive, I am truly thankful."

12:39 PM, August 21, 2007  
Blogger Tyler Dawbin said...

That's a good one, Ken!

9:39 AM, August 22, 2007  
Blogger SCIA said...


I am laughing my but off right now. Very good joke.

The homosexual community is a minority, less than 3% of the population, and is oppressed. We need to help them out of this oppression and into the hands of God.

7:54 PM, August 22, 2007  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

“We need to help them out of this oppression and into the hands of God.”

I can’t help them into the hands of god! I don’t even know where god is myself.

Ken Weaver

10:53 PM, August 22, 2007  
Blogger Tyler Dawbin said...

Hey, Ken -

Quick question...

Did you just breathe?

Now ask yourself..."Who gave me that breath?"

He's that close!

5:20 AM, August 23, 2007  
Blogger SCIA said...


Isaiah 59 - please read and leave comments.


12:24 PM, August 24, 2007  
Anonymous Ross said...

The Bible is NOT God! To elevate the Bible to the status of God, not only is an injustice to scholarship and logic, but is a direct offense against God Himself. We are to have no idols other than God, and biblical literalists and many of those who seek to counter them, both use the Bible as an idol, elevating it to the point where they explicitly or implicitly believe that it contains all of God's Word to us. Jesus is God's Word, and Jesus makes very clear what God expects of His followers: to trust God over and above seen circumstances, and to love other people! That's what puts the lie to homophobic professing Christians' selective use of certain biblical passages to "justify" and impose their hateful prejudices on others; their re-defining Christianity, and God Himself, in their own image, thereby using not only the Bible, but themselves, as their idols; ignoring Jesus' words, work, ministry, and life! The Bible is best viewed as a "finger" that points us to a couple of the many dimensions of God. What the biblical literalists do is equivalent to the following: If I ask you where you live and you point in a given direction and I just keep staring at your finger, I'll soon come to know everything about your finger, its size, shape, fingerprint, and every single detail about your finger, but I won't come any closer to knowing where you live. I have to look to the place where your finger is pointing in order to know where you live. The same holds true for those who elevate the Bible as being the "inerrant word of God." No! Only God is the Inerrant Word!

3:40 PM, August 24, 2007  
Blogger Tyler Dawbin said...

Ross, are you that preacher that has your blog linked to John Hosty's "Live, Love, Learn 24/7" website?

No evangelical claims that the Bible itself is God, only that it is the inerrant Word of God, brought to us over thousands of years by men who were moved to write by the Holy Spirit, divinely inspired (2 Peter 1:20-21).

To deny that the Bible is the Word of God is to allow that other works take it's place (Revelation 22:18), and that is to introduce corruption into God's divine Word - which He intentionally left for us - yes, as a pointer to direct us to Him but certainly not as something to be regarded simply as a pointer! It is the source of truth when it comes to the revelation of God's character, both in the Old Testament and the New Testament.

To deny such is to risk putting all that is taught about Jesus into jeapordy - a most dangerous thing for a reverend, pastor, or priest! We don't need another person to tell us that the Bible isn't accurate and good - we have plenty of worldly people that attempt to do such day in, day out. We need godly people that are willing to defend God's truth as just that - God's truth!

I hope that you understand my point, Ross, and that we can agree that scripture is not just important, it is fundamental to the Christian faith!

6:49 PM, August 25, 2007  
Blogger Tyler Dawbin said...

This quote, "The Bible is not God", was taken from this website which is linked to John Hosty's webpage.

6:53 PM, August 25, 2007  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Don't use your feud with John Hosty to diminish the point. Christ came in person to give us two main commandments. You have screwed them both up by failing to follow one while second guessing God on the other. He doesn't need your help running things. How arrogant of you to think He does.

10:36 AM, August 27, 2007  
Blogger Tyler Dawbin said...

I don't believe that I am in a feud with John Hosty...I haven't mentioned anything ill of him in saying that this was taken from a site that was linked off his website. The initial post was given without giving credit to the source. That was the extent of the comment I had made.

Now on to the more crucial point you are trying to make - apparently - and that is that evangelicals aren't doing what Christ has called them to do because we are...hmmm...taking the Bible literally? Am I to interpret your statement in this way?

1:35 PM, August 27, 2007  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Here's a thought; pay more attention to your wife and kid. Pay less attention to the fact you hate your neighbors.

Tyler, it is painfully obvious you come from a checkered background where you were oppressed. Now you want to be the other guy. Do you understand what that makes you? Just as bad as those who have wronged you. Peace comes from within, not from other people whom you try to impress with your pseudo-zealotry.

5:17 PM, August 31, 2007  
Blogger Tyler Dawbin said...

Anonymous, I asked you to clarify this point:

You have screwed them both up by failing to follow one while second guessing God on the other. He doesn't need your help running things. How arrogant of you to think He does.

Rather than do that, you've leveled an unfounded charge at me.

Please clarify what you mean by this so I may increase my understanding.

Thank you!

7:32 AM, September 01, 2007  
Anonymous omd said...

Once again we have a person that thinks people holding the belief the act of sodomy by two men, on each other, or the act of fellatio by two men, on each other, or two women performing cunnilingus on each other is debauchary are accused of being haters of homosexual people.

In actuality it is homosexual people that hold the rest of society in contempt. They are actually heterophobes.

8:07 PM, September 01, 2007  
Blogger SCIA said...


Could not say it any better.

9:27 AM, September 02, 2007  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

“Once again we have a person that thinks people holding the belief the act of sodomy by two men, on each other, or the act of fellatio by two men, on each other, or two women performing cunnilingus on each other is debauchary are accused of being haters of homosexual people.”

I don’t hold that belief, I just challenge people to prove their view of morality is correct. The best I’ve gotten is that society has judged it so, not very convincing I must say.

“Isaiah 59 - please read and leave comments.”

In the verses 15-18 there is a lot of hes and his, which one is putting on the cloak of vengeance? Is it god himself or is it the man that departed from evil and made himself prey?

Ken Weaver

11:56 PM, September 05, 2007  
Blogger Bonnie Hendricks said...

Hi Scia! Thanks so much for visiting my new blog and leaving a comment. What a GREAT blog you have!!!! I love it. Need to get time to tweak mine.

May God Bless you for your efforts for Him!
Bonnie Hendricks

2:29 PM, November 02, 2007  

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